Where do you think Buddy would "rank" today if he were alive and in his prime? Take for granted that the guys of today would already have what they have.
Guys like Lang,Grant Collins,Virgil,Vinnie,Weckl.Would Buddy still be the best?
I know one thing. Buddy would hate those guys. Not because he felt challenged by them either...
Let me clarify: Lang and Virgil only he wouldn't like- that's my guess.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 08, 2005 11:20 AM: Message edited by: cjbdrm ]</font>
IMHO, Buddy Rich was the best musician to ever sit behind a drum kit. In fact, Buddy was one the greatest musician of any instrument of all time - in a league with the all time great masters of their respective instruments such as Vladamir Horowitz, Louis Armstrong, Art Tatum, Benny Goodman, Harry James, Luciano Pavarotti and Charlie Parker.
I have no doubt that if Buddy had played another instrument, he would have been equally as legendary on it as he is on drums.
Further, Buddy was better in his genre than any other drummer has ever been at any other style. Again, JMHO. A lot of factors go into that opinion but the most important one for me was Buddy's ability to create endless, spontanious, musical phrasing that sounded good and felt good, with a level of technical mastery only an elite few musicians have ever attained. Many people today are unaware that Buddy was also a monster BeBop drummer.
R.I.P. B.R. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 08, 2005 07:48 PM: Message edited by: Henry II ]</font>
I agree with your judgement.
Even until today, after watching Buddy hundreds of times on video,
I don't know really, what was going on.
And then his solos. every solo was different.
his left hand was like a ghost.
and he got better, the older he became.
even the solos of the young buddy contains for seconds parts of drumming
of the future, what we call today the presence.
for example fast doubles. he did it all for seconds in the past.
there were some drummers, which influenced also the drumming scene.
but not for that long period like buddy.
to me, billy cobham was a drumhero for several years.
but today, he is just a shadow of his past.
cobham feels the age.
buddy became better and better.
he was a phaenomen.
I just have to think about his heart attack and bypass operation.
and he retired after 10 weeks.
just yesterday, I saw him playing birdland. wow !
how would buddy sound today, with the enormous development of the soundtechnic ?
I think about his drum sound "At the top".
to me, the sound was not very pleasant.
but HE sounded unbelievable.
do you have some information,
what buddy thought of the drummers several generations after him ?
he died 1987.
So, he knows the today drummers all, except donati, lang, blade, hass and co.
Yeah I think buddy ranks better than almost any player alive now, especially musically. I heard him playing some funk one time, and he made Garibaldi and Clark seem like amatuers at the oakland funk thing, so Buddy was pretty chameleon like too.
One thing though, IMHO, I would say that Tony Williams was the most progigous on any instrument. He was playing with Miles at 17 and blowing peoples lids off.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Buddy was performing in his parents vaudeville act (singing, dancing and drumming) at age 2.Originally posted by DeeP_FRieD:
Yeah I think buddy ranks better than almost any player alive now, especially musically. I heard him playing some funk one time, and he made Garibaldi and Clark seem like amatuers at the oakland funk thing, so Buddy was pretty chameleon like too.
One thing though, IMHO, I would say that Tony Williams was the most progigous on any instrument. He was playing with Miles at 17 and blowing peoples lids off.
So music/drums is a competition now...
I thought it was a great reply. [img]cool.gif[/img]
Another beat thread.
BR was a great drummer for his style, or just period [statement in general]. Why the endless need to stack drummers from one style &/or era against others from another?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't THINK so. But these 3 were every bit as capable in their own right, all 3 great players. No one of them is leaving the other in the dirt, unless maybe we were talking about strictly BB. But within FUNK, i don't feel this statement is quite an accurate one....and he made Garibaldi and Clark seem like amatuers at the oakland funk thing
Sorry, but my personal opin is, there is no comparison overall between BR & say VC & DW. Those last 2 guys are light years beyond MOST any drummer out today...just the obvious facts, man. Fanboy BS not even an issue; just outright facility & ideas. Just the natural state of the evolutionary time frame of things. But this still doesn't make BR any less the great muso that HE already was.
In BB-swing-jazz, BR KILLED, & according to strict BB definition, it would be hard-pressed to stack VC, DW, or most anyone else against his mastery of the genre within this forte. But OVERALL, otherwise, BR isn't in those other two's league. Sorry.
Since that's what was asked in this thread [img]graemlins/whatever.gif[/img] , I obliged.
JMHO. [img]wink.gif[/img]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 09, 2005 08:02 PM: Message edited by: got_a_match_grip? ]</font>
I agree with GAMG...
Kinda reminds me of when SDK said Vinnie was an insult to jazz and bebop playing. Not cool. Could be phrased a little differently. But I do get your drift DF.
Although I have heard Buddy play some funk and R&B sounding stuff, I still feel he put his "jazz/BB" style/sound to it. So it didn't really sound all that "funky" to me. But then again, "thems just ma ears." [img]wink.gif[/img] Sounded sorta held back and stiff. Maybe thats why Buddys favorite drummer was Steve Gadd later on in life??
Buddy was one of a kind. There will never be another one like him....... as I also feel.... there will never be another Weckl, Gadd, Tony, or Vince, etc, etc (add your own drum god).
I like to look at drumming as an evolution as many things are on this planet/universe. Some guys were doing stuff that others, later on, have taken to a new level using a new paradign of understanding, technology, or sheer awareness. Many times I'd listen to old records of Buddys or Tony's and say, "hey... I've never heard that lick before". And because of the way they tuned their toms sometimes makes it hard to decifer what they're doing. But I guess when you apply it on a global scale, Buddy and friends are just what is offered here in North America.
Who's the Vinnie/Buddy/Weckl of India, Pakastan, or maybe Africa?? I'm sure all of those countries and civilizations have their own versions of musical gods. Peru, Cuba, Europe, Austrailia.... I'm sure there are plenty of different but sililar influences there also.
Its a big world out there. And there is soooo much to explore. So much to take as influence. It's a never ending journey.
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